Gay marriage in Samoa, a "big no-no"

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http://www.samoalivenews.com

Written by Cherelle Jackson
Wednesday, 25 June 2008

The recent legalizing of gay marriages in the State of California has not stirred the hopes of local fa’afafines in lobbying for the same rights.

In fact, if anything they are adamant that they do not go down that path, at least not yet.

President of Samoa Faafafine Association (SFA) and one of the more prominent voices of fa‘afafines, Roger To’oto’oalii Stanley says gay marriages in Samoa is a “big no-no.”

“It’s hard enough for our cultural values to accept the term gay, let alone gay marriages,” To’oto’oalii said.

According to him although local fa’afafines do have relationships with men, it is not often that it leads to a lifetime commitment or cohabitation.

“There are very few fa’afafines who have live in partners,” To’oto’alii said.

Fa’afafines

To’oto’oalii agrees.
have long been part of the Fa’aSamoa, however they are rarely identified strictly as ‘gay’ but rather ‘transvestite.’

Defining Fa’afafines

Lau Dr Asofou Soo of the National University of Samoa Institute of Education (NUSIHE) has formerly defined the faafafine as: “Men who act like women, feel like women and tend to do work done by women.”

The Samoan Dictionary by G.B Milner defines it as “a feminine man or youth.”

The Transgender web site, which talks about transvestites in many cultures draws from a definition used in Paradise Bent a documentary about Samoan faafafines.

“When it comes to gender, it seems there is a truly Samoan way of seeing the world. Paradise Bent is a fascinating and entertaining film that tells the story of the Samoan fa'afafines: boys who are raised as girls and take on the domestic duties performed by women around the home, raising the children, caring for the elderly, and bringing the family together.”





Film critic Jane Yu states: “Fa'afafines are born biologically male, but recognized as female.”

A transvestite however is closely defined as: “A person who obtains sexual gratification from the personal style and appearance of the opposite gender and is usually homosexual (but not always). The male transvestite population are more visible and are sometimes called, drag queens.”

Defining Gays

Gays are define differently.

The Oxford Dictionary defines gay as: “Homosexual, intended for or used by homosexuals, generally informal in used but favoured by homosexuals with reference to themselves.”

Dr Asofou Soo defined gay as “person attracted to the same gender and psychologically like the opposite sex attraction. They do the same things.”

Thomas Clough a reviewer of gay literature wrote: “The word “homosexual” has been redefined to mean someone who shares erotic experiences with other adults.”

So for Samoan fa’afafines who are gay, should they pursue the option for same-sex marriage?

According to To’oto’oalii it will be a long time before Samoa is ready to hear about the notion.

Tuilaepas Stance

The Prime Minister has also put his foot down on the issue.

In an interview back in 2006 Tuilaepa said the issue of same sex marriage conflicts greatly with that of the Samoan culture and Christian values.

Although deeply rooted in the Samoan culture Tuilaepa says there is a role for the fa’afafine in Samoa that does not have to end in same sex marriage.

In fact he said: “I personally know of several that have gotten married, fathered children and raised families. But still they have these feminine mannerisms because God made them that way."

Tuilaepa Sailele Lupesoliai Malielegaoi said at the time about gay marriages: "It's a foreign concept which of course is not accepted as it is not in accordance with the Christian values Samoa is founded upon."

He added: "And these dictate that a man can only marry a woman and not another man. Same for women."

Crimes Ordinance

But although accepted socially and ingrained in the Fa’aSamoa, there are still laws which discriminate against the transvestite or fa’afafine and gay men.

According to the 1961 Crimes Ordinance it is illegal for a male to impersonate a woman with “the intent to deceive any other person as to his true sex.”

That would mean a man who dresses as a woman, walks like a woman, holds a handbag, uses lipstick or “any other article intended by him to represent that he is female or in any other way is impersonating or representing himself to be a female.”

The maximum penalty for such a crime is six months of imprisonment or a fine not exceeding $200.00.

But local law practitioners say this particular law should not worry local fa’afafines as it was imported from New Zealand and not made to suit the local scenario.

To‘oto‘oalii says this is not an issue: “Samoans accepted Fa’fafines long time ago; we are part of this culture.”

12 comments:

Anonymous said...

this is one of the most defined or mis defined and much conversed topic in the world today.
Forget about Samoa and religion but what im interested about is, what are their advantages and disadvantages to modern society?

Personally speaking, as the world gets more and more polluted and deteriorated due to human activities, plus the rapid increasing in the world's population, the resources that are available to cater for all our needs and our future childrens' welfare are exhausted and are seriously diminished by the day.
Now, being gay in todays environment should be seen as something good rather than being condemed and judeged coz there is a major possibility that they will not produce anymore children. less children to worry about in the future and resources are made available for others.
Secondly, of the many gays I know, they are the most responsible people and very caring individuals who contribute much more to families and communities than the many heterosexuals in comparisons.

Getting married should not be viewed as a major issue in Samoa. Every family has a gay person in Samoa today.
Most are a result of sexual and physological abuse in their early years.
Who knows some of those mps in parlaiment, leaders of orgnsations and prominent people in societies were child molesters in their younger years? it sounds ridiculous but its an unspoken truth.

No pun intended, thanks for understanding

Anonymous said...

lets just keep things the way they are...

Anonymous said...

hmmmmmm
gay or straight, they're human and humans have feelings. So, the moral of the story is (lol): give gay people a chance to live life like everyone else, to get married, have kids? and raise a family. Perhaps gay couples get married and live happily ever after and last longer in their marriage than the average straight couple. Maybe divorce rate will go down lol.

but oh wait, in samoa its not as easy as it sounds, Christianity rules thats why. So good luck faafafines and gay boys and girls. Hope you continue to find love and happiness in this world.

God Bless!!!

Anonymous said...

I have a very close relative who is gay...

if marriage is something she would want, I would not hold it against her.

Samoa, Samoa, Samoa...so hypocritical in the church scheme of things. Gays are welcomed in Samoa's society both domestically and in church but that's it! Don't expect to see same sex marriages anytime soon in our falesas!

I wish that the church would speak of REAL LIFE ISSUES OF LIFE instead of ignoring them! Like HIV/AIDS, domestic abuse, child abuse, gays....etc. All of these SINS are committed by humans both Christian and non Christian alike. Ministries can be as PREVENTION and education to the masses.

Very unfortunate that faifeaus shy away from these realities! You must be willing to lead your flock and face these challenges together through their ministries, prayer and spiritual guidance.

Manuia

Anonymous said...

wow

Awoiiiiiiiii........am i really hearing this???????........here i am suspecting that gay marriages will stay i nAmerica but now in Samoa??......its totally shocking and inappropriate..well thats what i think.. they are right we have accepted the fact that Faafafines existed in our culture but to push it towards MARRIAGE!!!!!.i would say WHOA!!!!....everybody slow down and lets all talk about this...i know that everybody deserves some happiness but come to think of it its totally wierd and plain creepy.....oh well lets all just let this stay the same. i wouldnt want any changes to happen in our culture. ia faifai malie le aso

Anonymous said...

changes

Well, as much as we hate to change things as they are, changes are coming and we cannot shut the door forever or we will see ourselves lagging behind everyone else
In other words, our people needs to have critical broad thinking and more understanding than being judgemental and narrowly focussed on religion only.
Just like christianity made and revolutionalized by people, same sex marriages were introduced and followed by people. Therefore, this is just one of the many changes that is coming to the world and theres almost no stopping. We just have to accept and live with it.
I have many gay relatives and I am all for their interests coz they always look out for mine too.
It does creates a whole positive aura around everyone.
May peace and happiness be upon all and blessings to all Samoans back home and al throughout the world

Anonymous said...

sole.......

sole thatz against Gods will............but its up 2 u.......cuz no one will stand be4 u,when judgement comes u stand by ur ownself.........infront of God.........

Anonymous said...

It is wrong to be judgemental and discriminatory based on sexual preference

Are we to turn our cheek and disregard that those of our gay relatives want to be accepted in every aspect of society? Why shouldn't they be married if our gay relatives chose to? Every fafaafine fafaatama should have an opportunity to know what it is like to have a family and be happy in it. Heck their marriages probably raise better children and marriages would last longer than heterosexual marriages!

We are to love one another not shy away from our loved ones based on religion, color, sexual preference, age, gender, illness/deformity etc. You get the full picture now

Anonymous said...

God made ADAM and EVE, not ADAM and STEVE..anyway good luck to all samoan gay people...

sedrick said...

Why do same-sex couples want to get married?
Many same-sex couples want the freedom to marry because they are in love and want to commit to caring for one another through life's ups and downs. These couples-- who may have been together for 5, 10, 15, or more years-- want the dignity, respect, and security that marriage provides.

Without the freedom to marry, they do not receive the same recognition or protections for their families as married couples. In fact, same-sex couples and their kids face tremendous discrimination. Denied the freedom to marry, same-sex couples and their kids are deprived of literally thousands of legal and economic protections and responsibilities, as well as the emotional, social, and spiritual meaning that marriage has for many.

sedrick said...

DEFINITIONS
Homosexuality means sex between people of the same gender - based on the Greek homo, 'same'. Heterosexuality means sex between people of the opposite gender - from hetero, 'different'. The terms apply to both women and men.

NATURE
Homosexuality is common amongst the higher mammals. Both homosexual courtships and ongoing homosexual relationships have been observed among lions, porpoises, porcupines, monkeys, and a variety of other animals - despite heterosexual opportunity.1

sedrick said...

THE LAW
Laws are just one indicator of the level of oppression. Some regimes do not have laws against homosexuality because they do not acknowledge that it exists. Most laws don't even mention lesbians.


Ray Hamilton / CAMERA PRESS
ILLEGAL
Africa Algeria, Libya, Angola, Mozambique, Kenya, Nigeria, South Africa, Morocco.
Asia India, Singapore,Malaysia, Bangladesh, Hong Kong, Pakistan. Middle East Iran, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Israel, Oman.
Americas Cuba, Chile, Ecuador, Jamaica, Bermuda, some states in US.
Australasia Australia (3 states - Queensland, Tasmania and Western Australia).
Europe Eire, Liechenstein, Romania, USSR9

NOT ILLEGAL
Africa Burkina Faso (men over 21). Asia Thailand, China. Australasia Aotearoa, Australia (Other states). Americas Argentina, Brazil, Canada, Central America, Colombia, Mexico, Peru, most states in the US. Europe All European countries except those above.9

ANTI-DISCRIMINATION LAWS APPLY
Europe Scandinavia, Holland, France.
Americas State of California, US; Quebec, Canada. Australasia New South Wales and South Australia.9

BACKLASH
The trend in most countries is either static or progressive. China, now at least acknowledges that '100 homosexuals' exist in the country. In the US and the UK however, the trend is regressive.
US 1986 - Supreme court upholds the State of Georgia's reactivation of old laws against sodomy - even between consenting adults.
UK 1988 - Clause 28 of the Local Government Bill makes it illegal for local authorities to 'promote' homosexuality. This particularly affects the way homosexuality is discussed in schools. Gay-bashing in London doubles.9



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PERSECUTION
Millions of people have been murdered because of their sexuality.

AT THE STAKE
Gays as heretics Large-scale persecution of gay people began in twelfth-century Christian Europe. It coincided with the Inquisition and attacks on all forms of religious non-conformity. From 1150 to 1250 thousands of 'sodomites' were burned at the stake and the basis was laid for anti-gay laws that lasted for centuries.6

GALLOWS, STOOL AND FIRE
Gays as criminals Henry VIII of England made sodomy punishable by death in 1533. In sixteenth-century Switzerland, women were drowned for lesbianism. Both women and men convicted of 'sodomy' in seventeenth-century Venice would be stripped, have a nail driven through their genitals then be burned to death outside the city. Until 1829 sailors in the British Navy were hanged for homosexual acts. In some years more men were hanged for buggery than murder.9,10

ASYLUM AND PRISON
Gays as a danger to society During the Age of Enlightenment - the eighteenth century - most European countries stopped executing homosexuals. Instead gay people were locked away in lunatic asylums. In the UK, however, hangings continued well into the nineteenth century. The 1885 Labouchere Amendment made all male homosexual acts - whether in private or public - an imprisonable offence. Lesbianism was not mentioned. The law was exported to the British colonies. Not until 1967 was it repealed in the UK - but only for men over 21.9,10.

DEATH CAMPS
Gays as freaks Homosexuals were rounded up when the Third Reich seized power in Germany in 1933 and were among the first to be sent to concentration camps. Tens of thousands died. Homosexuals were identifiable by a pink triangle sewn onto their shifts. They were subjected to sexual torture and humiliation. Many were gassed but the general policy was to work them to death.